This is a quick video of the TRG F109 in the pits. Randy from The Underground track brought the car out for the first time. The car looked pretty stable on the track, and seemed to have a ton of mid corner steering. You could see the front end bite in the corner, yet it didn't look sketchy, it looked hooked up. I predict this car will be awesome on asphalt. The finished parts look great too.
I did not have a chance to drive it, but I was very impressed with how it looked on the track.
Sorry about the lame quality of the video. I will try to get a nicer video with my regular camera in the next few weeks.
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Important rctech post
F1Jet from rctech made a really good post a few days ago for rubber tire racing, especially TCS:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/8809754-post291.html
I might also have some interesting video in the near future!!
http://www.rctech.net/forum/8809754-post291.html
I might also have some interesting video in the near future!!
Wednesday, March 16, 2011
Winthrop Harbor TCS
It was kind of a mixed bag at the Track @ Harbor Hobby TCS. Friday and Saturday went great, TQ'd all three qualifying rounds and worked on some guys' cars as well. It seemed like most guys who tried the front end setup have been pretty happy with it.
Sunday did not go as well for me. I just made way too many driving errors, as well as having a bit of trouble with the track conditions. I think the track built the traction super fast Sunday with all the rubber down from the previous two days, and I was either doping too much of the front tire (1/2) or I had too much throw dialed into the radio. The first race the car was very good, much like Saturday, but Jimmy Stegen, another Track local and eventual F1 class winner, said he pushed wide on the first corner. He said he thought he did not let the tires soak long enough, which made me worried I might not have enough traction if I under did things. I tend to think the track may have come to Jimmy and Mark Rodney a bit on Sunday. Jimmy remarked his car was "a dream" on Sunday. My car went toward twitchy or oversteer, but I would say the mistake was probably not reducing the front tire dope to 1/3 or 1/4. In the end though, I dotted out too many times. Hats off to Jimmy Stegen and Mark Rodney for coming in first and second, respectively.
One other note if you are using the Mini Revo sized 1800 batteries: Don't charge over 2.5 amps. I have been charging at 5 amps since I am impatient, and I think this may have also hurt my car. It felt flat in the second half of the main races, where Jimmy had no problems with his brand new purchased Friday of the weekend 1800 pack. Just be patient, unlike me.
Anyway, Harbor Hobby has a ton of traction, even more so than the Omaha track. I wound up setting the ball stud on the camber mount at 4.5mm. I also wound up switching over to the aluminum camber plate, as the plastic one began to wallow out the holes as the ball studs got taller. I used it in the 1.0 position, and this yielded .5* camber with the settings I used. For the spacers at the kingpin, nothing changed - the largest spacer on top of the arm, and the 2 smaller spacers under the arm. I will probably replace these spacers with 1 or .5 mm shims soon so I can test more fine tuning at this position.
The rear ball stud on the upper arm (the one on the top deck) actually is fairly sensitive as well. In a practice run, I added .5mm there just to see what would happen, and the car became much more sensitive mid corner. I think this would be very helpful for lower traction conditions or rubber tire. It was too much on a track with as much bite as Harbor has.
Over the nose, in the slot of the F60 wing, I added 1/2 oz. (14g) to the car. I glued in two 7g squares. This is something to try in high bite conditions, as the car will try to rock back under power and push. It keeps weight over the nose so you have more on power steering. Note you can over do this and wind up with a car that does not center up well. 1 oz (28g) has been the limit for me. You can also add weight behind the servo which will help add to the front bias, but this is nowhere near as sensitive as adding weight to the wing. To be honest, I probably could have reduced some of the nose weight for the mains and been fine on steering. I also added two 7g squares of lead at the very rear of the main chassis, one on each side.
The electronics were also centered in the car since the battery's size allowed for it. This was not a huge change, but it did let me remove some weight from the car, as I had to add lead to the receiver side because the esc and wires outweigh the RX by quite a bit. When the traction is as high as it got for a foam tire class, I feel that a lighter car is better. It will even be less unsettled by tapping the boards when it is light. You just need to add lead strategically to get the handling you want. On rubber tire, or for outdoor racing, I feel just the opposite is true. You want to weigh the car down to make it stable-big battery, heavy parts, plenty of lead.
Throughout the weekend, I retained the high traction t bar with the cutout. I am pretty sure this should be the default part for 99% of scenarios. The stiffer t bars reduce rotation of the car and make it less willing to wrap the corners. There are situations where this is not desirable, and that is where you need the stiffer bars. You also want a stiffer bar if you are on a big outdoor track where the car wanders on the straight and is very hard to correct, very sensitive right off center.
I used A tires on all four corners, 58mm rear and 54.5 to 54mm fronts. All tires had the sidewalls glued to the tread. The front tire diameter was pretty important, as much over 54.5mm made the car traction roll.
The Detroit gang all seemed to be using the B rubber, which is more like the purple/magenta type of rubber. They did say diameter was important, but they seemed to run bigger tires than I did. The B's always made my car traction roll, and they say the same about the A's...Go figure....
I was able to TQ with a motor that came off the dyno at about 15,600 RPM @ 7.2 volts. Geared 27/100 on a 58mm tire around 49mm rollout. Jimmy Stegen had a motor that only cleared 16,000 rpm once. We were having an informal "crappiest motor" contest, I won 2 rounds to one, LOL. Really, you don't need to be right at the limit with these cars if you find the gear and the car is good.
I will add pictures and complete setup info a bit later.
Sunday did not go as well for me. I just made way too many driving errors, as well as having a bit of trouble with the track conditions. I think the track built the traction super fast Sunday with all the rubber down from the previous two days, and I was either doping too much of the front tire (1/2) or I had too much throw dialed into the radio. The first race the car was very good, much like Saturday, but Jimmy Stegen, another Track local and eventual F1 class winner, said he pushed wide on the first corner. He said he thought he did not let the tires soak long enough, which made me worried I might not have enough traction if I under did things. I tend to think the track may have come to Jimmy and Mark Rodney a bit on Sunday. Jimmy remarked his car was "a dream" on Sunday. My car went toward twitchy or oversteer, but I would say the mistake was probably not reducing the front tire dope to 1/3 or 1/4. In the end though, I dotted out too many times. Hats off to Jimmy Stegen and Mark Rodney for coming in first and second, respectively.
One other note if you are using the Mini Revo sized 1800 batteries: Don't charge over 2.5 amps. I have been charging at 5 amps since I am impatient, and I think this may have also hurt my car. It felt flat in the second half of the main races, where Jimmy had no problems with his brand new purchased Friday of the weekend 1800 pack. Just be patient, unlike me.
Anyway, Harbor Hobby has a ton of traction, even more so than the Omaha track. I wound up setting the ball stud on the camber mount at 4.5mm. I also wound up switching over to the aluminum camber plate, as the plastic one began to wallow out the holes as the ball studs got taller. I used it in the 1.0 position, and this yielded .5* camber with the settings I used. For the spacers at the kingpin, nothing changed - the largest spacer on top of the arm, and the 2 smaller spacers under the arm. I will probably replace these spacers with 1 or .5 mm shims soon so I can test more fine tuning at this position.
The rear ball stud on the upper arm (the one on the top deck) actually is fairly sensitive as well. In a practice run, I added .5mm there just to see what would happen, and the car became much more sensitive mid corner. I think this would be very helpful for lower traction conditions or rubber tire. It was too much on a track with as much bite as Harbor has.
Over the nose, in the slot of the F60 wing, I added 1/2 oz. (14g) to the car. I glued in two 7g squares. This is something to try in high bite conditions, as the car will try to rock back under power and push. It keeps weight over the nose so you have more on power steering. Note you can over do this and wind up with a car that does not center up well. 1 oz (28g) has been the limit for me. You can also add weight behind the servo which will help add to the front bias, but this is nowhere near as sensitive as adding weight to the wing. To be honest, I probably could have reduced some of the nose weight for the mains and been fine on steering. I also added two 7g squares of lead at the very rear of the main chassis, one on each side.
The electronics were also centered in the car since the battery's size allowed for it. This was not a huge change, but it did let me remove some weight from the car, as I had to add lead to the receiver side because the esc and wires outweigh the RX by quite a bit. When the traction is as high as it got for a foam tire class, I feel that a lighter car is better. It will even be less unsettled by tapping the boards when it is light. You just need to add lead strategically to get the handling you want. On rubber tire, or for outdoor racing, I feel just the opposite is true. You want to weigh the car down to make it stable-big battery, heavy parts, plenty of lead.
Throughout the weekend, I retained the high traction t bar with the cutout. I am pretty sure this should be the default part for 99% of scenarios. The stiffer t bars reduce rotation of the car and make it less willing to wrap the corners. There are situations where this is not desirable, and that is where you need the stiffer bars. You also want a stiffer bar if you are on a big outdoor track where the car wanders on the straight and is very hard to correct, very sensitive right off center.
I used A tires on all four corners, 58mm rear and 54.5 to 54mm fronts. All tires had the sidewalls glued to the tread. The front tire diameter was pretty important, as much over 54.5mm made the car traction roll.
The Detroit gang all seemed to be using the B rubber, which is more like the purple/magenta type of rubber. They did say diameter was important, but they seemed to run bigger tires than I did. The B's always made my car traction roll, and they say the same about the A's...Go figure....
I was able to TQ with a motor that came off the dyno at about 15,600 RPM @ 7.2 volts. Geared 27/100 on a 58mm tire around 49mm rollout. Jimmy Stegen had a motor that only cleared 16,000 rpm once. We were having an informal "crappiest motor" contest, I won 2 rounds to one, LOL. Really, you don't need to be right at the limit with these cars if you find the gear and the car is good.
I will add pictures and complete setup info a bit later.
Wednesday, March 9, 2011
TCS @ Harbor Hobby/Illinois
This weekend, TCS @ The Track/Harbor Hobby in Winthrop Harbor IL.
I have been at the track trying to refine the setup for the TCS F104, so I hope to have some good tips at the end of the weekend. So far the other cars I have setup in a similar vein have worked for their drivers, so I'm pretty confident I'm going in the right direction.
I have been at the track trying to refine the setup for the TCS F104, so I hope to have some good tips at the end of the weekend. So far the other cars I have setup in a similar vein have worked for their drivers, so I'm pretty confident I'm going in the right direction.
SOCAL CROWD TAKE NOTICE
2011 UF1 season will start this Saturday at West Australian Coast Grand Prix...
8 races , 8 tracks, 1 race per month, 1 2011 UF1 Champion...
For details, check out:
http://www.charleslightfoot.com/UF1/UF1_home.html
8 races , 8 tracks, 1 race per month, 1 2011 UF1 Champion...
For details, check out:
http://www.charleslightfoot.com/UF1/UF1_home.html
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